In this transcribed excerpt recorded during a weekend seminar at Rowe Camp & Conference Center in Massachusetts, James Hillman -- one of the most influential voices of modern psychology -- reflects on hope versus optimism, observing versus engaging in life.
I have a little trouble with hope. I don’t want to take yours away from you, but I heard a lovely phrase today. To be optimistic without hope. It’s a sentence from Paul Valerie. It was a very nice phrase. That’s a hard one for the Christian mind. The idea of being hopeful, that isn’t quite what I meant in re-visioning psychology about pathology. That pathologizing… it isn’t… it doesn’t mean its going to get… it’s not hope. It is that it draws your interest. Actually, interest is more important than hope. Interest in what’s going on would be both a medical approach and a psychological approach. Do you follow me there at all? Does anybody want to add to that? That being interested is really the crucial thing.